Chat log of @th3j35t3r and @JohnTiessen

Posted in Uncategorized with tags , , , on January 14, 2013 by johntiessen

I did my video to be nice and also to end Jester from pulling me into fights. I did not make it out of fear. if jester wants to do what ever to me I say, “GO FOR IT BRAH” I don’t even know why he would but it is up to him if he is mad over a video i did in 2010 then it is ok with me.

Here is the log of our chat read on.
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th3j35t3r: Sup Johnny?
You: well you turned off the chat in here so i could not chat
th3j35t3r: what was the last thing you saw me say?
You: i do drugs or did them i do not remember lol
You: but i was saying you blocked me on my new acconut
th3j35t3r: I block all assholes.
You: come on i did not post anything about you at all
You: i even re-tweet your post about 4 thimes
th3j35t3r: So thats not you in the video crazy guy?
th3j35t3r: I know you and rambler are the same guy.
th3j35t3r: so of course I’ll block both youraccounts
th3j35t3r: because you are a lying faggot.
You: faggot?
th3j35t3r: Indeed.
th3j35t3r: lets not split hairs johnny.
th3j35t3r: you say you know my identity, so lets hear it lol
You: dave
th3j35t3r: you keep insisting I am a child molester so come on John lets get down to the nitty gritty.
th3j35t3r: Dave who John?
You: come on come on wait
You: i have not posted that in over two years
You: green
th3j35t3r: Thats your first mistake my name isnt dave, so I willbe expecting a full apology.
You: i said that year ago to you
th3j35t3r: and you were wrong then too.
You: told you i got bad info from cops
th3j35t3r: and that last video is 3 months old John.
You: no its not its over a year old sry
th3j35t3r: you got no info from any cops because the cops dont know me either.
You: it was after your name came up on a child porn site
You: i like you brah i think you done a lot on line. more then i could or have
th3j35t3r: that last video you did: Published on Sep 15, 2012
th3j35t3r: suck up much?
th3j35t3r: John you brought this to your door.
You: all i know is it was after your name was on the site with child porn i was told i was right so i made a video
th3j35t3r: that was silly now wasnt it.
th3j35t3r: How would your employer like to see what a fucktard you are?
You: i do not work
th3j35t3r: You are a fucking delusional man.
th3j35t3r: lets leave your fantasies alone for a minute
You: ok
You: u asked me
th3j35t3r: and talk about why you keep insisting I am a fucking child molster even tho you know you are wrong and just
admitted the same.
You: want me to say i was wrong online?
th3j35t3r: That would be wonderful, a video just like you made before. But I dont really give a shit.
You: ill do it and make a web-page for you too?
You: un block me on @AnonMidnightRam
th3j35t3r: Does Kristina ‘Gonzales’ bring in all the money? You have all this money and your wife is a secretary?
You: i wont string in your post
You: yes
You: but i do not lie keep that in mind too
th3j35t3r:  I know everything about you.
th3j35t3r: You do lie, I have seen it with my own eyes.
th3j35t3r: you piece of fucking shit
You: piece of fucking shit?
th3j35t3r: 763-432-5XX7 – want me to give that number a call, tell Kristina all about you?
th3j35t3r: or 612-636-XXX4
You: sure if you want im not hidding nothing from no one
th3j35t3r: or k_l_gonzalez@yahoo.com
th3j35t3r: 4320 madison street NE?
You: old add
You: XXX bennett dr ne
th3j35t3r: whatever.
You: call me
You: 763-221-1XXO
th3j35t3r: I amnot gonna call YOU john.
You: ok
th3j35t3r: so cray guy
th3j35t3r: your house is a 1000 sq ft and you are underwater on your mortgage by nearly 100K
You: chill out brah
th3j35t3r: you lie, I can find it all out myself. thats what you forget.
th3j35t3r: I dont give a shit if you do a video aying you were wrong and you lied repeatedly thru your teeth.
th3j35t3r: you tried to fuck me up.
th3j35t3r: karma.
You: ok im going to make a video and a web site saying i got bad info on you thats all i can do
th3j35t3r: no youu can say yuo lied.
th3j35t3r: you lied, not that you got bad info john, you lied.
th3j35t3r: you need to face that christian.
th3j35t3r: and do itpublically.
You: yopu got Commander X on?
th3j35t3r: nope.
th3j35t3r: not interestedin that fucking degenerate either.
You: he was after me too for some reason
th3j35t3r: you John, thats all I am interested in, and you brought it to your door.
th3j35t3r: good, I hope he gets you too.
You: chill out
th3j35t3r: you are not my friend so quit with the small talk.
th3j35t3r: you need to tell me why you repeatedly lied about me.
th3j35t3r: NOW.
th3j35t3r: dont blame it on bad info either.
th3j35t3r: face up to what you did.
You: repeatedly?
You: i made a video
You: then got info u was on a poor site and i was right so i made another one
You: you done?
th3j35t3r: but you weren’t right were you? And the only cops you know are the ones that put you injail.
You: what i say is true like it or not. ill do the video if you want and a web-page too
You: i do know bad cops from way back when i alos have a brother in law who is a cop
th3j35t3r: are still maintaining I am a fucking child molester?
th3j35t3r: Be careful how you answer this.
You: no im not or i should say the info i got seems to be wrong
th3j35t3r: this is on YOU john. You – it’s not about ‘the info’ you got.
You: buck stops here
th3j35t3r: you didnt get any info. You are an anon who tried to discredit me.
th3j35t3r: plain and simple.
th3j35t3r: if you do a video blaming it on bad info, you wil wish you hadn’t, you need to explain how you lied.
th3j35t3r: you need to tell the world the truth, which is that you are asad old man trolling the internet.
You: sad old man trolling the internets
th3j35t3r: you can understand why I am annoyed right?
th3j35t3r: yep thats what I said.
th3j35t3r: sad old man trolling the internet and making shit up about people, it makes you feel important.
th3j35t3r: You say you are a Christian? What a joke.
You: no
You: true Christian
th3j35t3r: whatever.
You: there is a dif
th3j35t3r: I haven’t got all day to shoot the shit with you. You are fucking crazy. PS I got logs of this
conversation, and will publish if I need to.
th3j35t3r: have a great day.
You: k
You: u 2
You: next time lets keep the name calling out
th3j35t3r: And GTFO of my goddam timeline on twitter. I dont wanna see you or that fucking midnightrambler sock puppet
of yours speak about me again.
You: ill post the video on @AnonMidnightRam if you can un-block me from there it would be cool
th3j35t3r: You will post the video from john tiessen, or you can expect me.
You: i do not use that no more
th3j35t3r: I wont be interacting with your @Anonmidnightram account ever so give it up.
th3j35t3r: you gonna have to use the John tiessen account.
th3j35t3r: thats where you posted your original shit from.
th3j35t3r: needs to come from the same placejohnny.
You: have to?
th3j35t3r: Absolutely.
th3j35t3r: You are not in aposition to call any shots here
You: im not scared of you you do know that right?
th3j35t3r: You @AnonMidnightRam account wont get an response from me.
You: im doing the video to be nice not out of fearf
th3j35t3r: John, I dont really give ashit if you doa video or not.
th3j35t3r: really I dont.
You: well like i said im doing it to be a nice person
th3j35t3r: you are not a nice person.
You: i did not know u was all mad over this
th3j35t3r: yes you did.
You: em i ever right in your eyes
th3j35t3r: and I am not mad for the record. You are fucking hilarious.
th3j35t3r: anyway like I said, I’m busy, and so should you be.
th3j35t3r: out.
th3j35t3r has exited the room.
The operator ended the session.

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It All Comes Down To Ephesians 6:12

Posted in Uncategorized with tags on June 20, 2010 by johntiessen

Im going to talk about the Clintons here but I could use many others here. So dont get hung up just on the Clintons, read on till the end to get my point for this blog.

Some of the Clinton’s daily records are public

Lets peek around at the record of the Clinton’s

who remembered how Clinton’s administration sold out the Bosnians.

Check mis Clintons claim that she visited the country Bosnia because it was too dangerous for Bill to do so, and her extra boast that she landed under sniper fire and had to duck and scuttle.

She then said she “mis-spoke”. I’m not sure that covers it. Footage shows her landing in Tuzla, then Bosnia’s most peaceful city, and strolling with a smile, her daughter in tow, to be met by flowers, children and dignitaries. In other words, there’s not a word of truth in her original assertion.

It also illustrates the question of the Clinton’s respect for the truth. There is, first, their attempt to block access to their records.

Second, their habit of making hugely inflated claims about themselves Third, a smarminess about matters of fact, as in mis Clintons utterance that Barack Obama is not a Muslim “as far as I know”.

The Clintons have not one episode of “mis-speaking”, but a whole record of dishonesty. In Bosnian terms it’s more disgraceful than many remember. In 1992 Bill Clinton ran against George Bush Snr promising to help the Bosnians survive genocide – then repeatedly went back on his word.

(Locals in Bosnian dubbed the emergency graveyard dug on a Sarajevo soccer field “The Clinton Cemetery”.)

And I shall never forget reading on his Defence Secretary Les Aspin, who said he had wanted to land his plane under fire at Sarajevo airport to at least show some solidarity but was dissuaded by the White House. They told him it would distract from Hillary’s healthcare initiative. Bosnia has had its small, belated revenge on her.

Ok before anyone gets their panties in a twist, I’ll give you a heads up, the following might be hard to believe if you think the Clintons or any other person that runs our government is honest, Check out the facts for your self. If you want verification on the facts just Google the Clintons for your self.

If you want verification on the facts that there are no good people in government just read your bible.

If anyone can point me to where these facts are not true. DO IT!!

Ok sit down before reading.

This is Just a quick list of some (“friends”) of the Clintons .

1-James McDougal – Clinton ’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
2 -Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3- Vince Foster – Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock ’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4- Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6-Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.
7-Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8-Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9-James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
10-James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11-Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12-Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiance, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his finance.
13-Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton ’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14-Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15- Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16-Paula Grober – Clinton ’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17-Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18- Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19-Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20-Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21-Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22-Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ’s advisory council personally treated Clinton ’s mother, stepfather and brother.
23-Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25-Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26- Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE
:
28-Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29-Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30-Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31-Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33-James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes”.
34-Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35-Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD
:
36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly
43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
44-Steve Willis
45-Robert Williams
46-Conway LeBleu
47-Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list isn’t it.

Lets hope the public never forgets what happen to these so called friends of the Clintons

CLINTON’S FOR ANY OFFICE? SURELY YOU JEST !!

“Reasonable people … could determine that the [Clinton‘s] crossed over the line and that what for them is truthful but misleading or non-responsive and misleading or evasive is, in fact, false.

“But in their mind ( the Clintons ) — and that’s the heart and soul of perjury — they think and they believed that what they are doing is being evasive but truthful.”

Lets not forget the dress.

In the Clinton’s America, truth is maleable, subject to molding by the hands of powerful men. It is the personification of the Big Lie. Lenin and Stalin believed that no matter how ridiculous a lie, how outrageous it may seem, the public will believe it if repeated loudly and often. This philosophy has truly found itself in the Age of the Clinton’s. Let us take a look at the following lies the Clinton’s and his government have molded into “reality”: Whitewater was just a “failed investment.” Hillary Clinton made $100,000 dollars from $1000 in one year by “reading the Wall Street Journal.” Vince Foster was suicidally depressed. Oral sex is not sex. Bill Clinton “misled” but did not lie. There is no clear evidence of Chinese infiltration of our elections. No one hired Craig Livingston. 1000 FBI files turning up in the White House was a “bureaucratic snafu.” The federal government had no knowledge of drug smuggling in and around Mena, Arkansas. The International Monetary fund is a wonderful way to stabilize the global economy. China is not our enemy. It was no one’s fault that drug dealers, arms smugglers, and international criminals had dinner in the White House. The military’s role is one of good-will and nation-building. Vince Foster’s widow recognized the gun her husband used to “end his own life.” The government was certain that the aspirin factory was a chemical weapons plant. Timothy McVeigh executed the Oklahoma Bombing by himself. An impeachment of Bill Clinton would paralyze America. The FBI and ATF bears no culpability for the destruction of the Waco Branch-Dividian complex and the death of many of it’s members. The President’s morality and character do not effect how he does his job. None of the evidence discovered in the Justice Department’s campaign finance investigation has “activated” the Independent Council statute. The death of Vincent Foster has been thoroughly investigated four separate times. Bill Clinton did not have an affair with Monica Lewinsky, but he did have an inappropriate relationship, but he did not lie, but he did mislead, but it’s none of the people’s business anyway.

Look I use the Clintons here in this but I could write on the records of all the Presidents, Congressmen and Senators. So could you its not hard to do. Just Google their name and read on.

What is truly unfortunate is the number of our fellow citizens who have been taken in by these disgusting lies. The Ministry of Truth is always working over time to make lies into truths, falsehoods into reality, fact into fiction, and honest concern into partisanship. And they are succeeding. Sad thing is there is no one to stop them. As hard as it is to imagine, it is going to get worse than the Clinton’s. Someone with no character and criminal tendencies in the White House will know that no matter what they do, no one will touch them. No one will hold them accountable, and they could literally break any law they want. Then the slavering monster that the liberals have conceived will turn on them, and consume its own master as it has the rule of law and all who represent it. Then they will play the part of Trotsky as the society they have wrought folds around them into the abyss, taking them with it.

There are just a few years left, could be 100 or 1000. But one thing is for sure, thing are going to get worse before the end comes.

So whats the answer? Its easy. To hold the breeches and save this country or save the world, we need JESUS, easy as that. Every thing that has been wrote in the bible, has come true and will come true. No one can stop it or change it.

If your Congressmen and Senators or the President, are the people you look to for hope just read the records of all the leaders of the world. This should show you there is no hope in them, no madder what they say to you .

Be aware of how you feel about the Presidents, your Congressmen and Senators.

Do you put to much hope in them, do you stick up for them, do you try to lead people to believe in them?

If you answer yes, read on.

Are there well-meaning humans that run for office? Sure there is, But despite the efforts of well-meaning humans, the world has suffered terribly throughout history. This causes thinking people to wonder, why has every government that has ever existed failed. Did you read that? Every government that has ever existed has failed.

Every government that has ever existed has failed. Every government that has ever existed has failed. Every government that has ever existed has failed. Every government that has ever existed has failed.

One more time. Every government that has ever existed has failed.

‘Peace on earth’—nearly everybody wants it. ‘Good will toward men’—a lot of the people of the world feel it toward one another. Then what’s wrong?

I’ll answer that question with a question. Who is the ruler of this world?

Many people that read the bible and those that say they are christens would answer the above question with a single word—God. But significantly, nowhere does the Bible say that either Jesus Christ or God are the real rulers of this world. On the contrary, Jesus said: “The ruler of this world will be cast out.” And he added: “The ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me.”—John 12-16

Seems a paradox, doesn’t it? When the natural desire of people is to live at peace, they commonly lie, cheat, hate and kill one another—and with such viciousness. Consider the cold-blooded excesses in monstrous cruelty. Humans have used gas chambers, concentration camps, flamethrowers, napalm bombs, and other heinous methods to torture and slaughter one another mercilessly.

Do you believe that humans, who long for peace and happiness, are capable, in themselves, of such gross wickedness against each other? Or are there forces that drive men to such loathsome deeds or do they maneuver them into situations where they feel compelled to commit atrocities? Have you ever wondered whether some wicked, invisible power is influencing people to commit such acts of violence?

There is no need to guess at the matter, for the Bible clearly shows that an intelligent, unseen person has been controlling both men and nations. It says: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” And the Bible identifies him, saying: “The one called Devil and Satan . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” 1 JOHN 5:19 REV. 12:9

In .Matthew 4 8-10. We read when Jesus was “tempted by the Devil,” Jesus did not question satan’s role as the ruler of this world. The Bible explains, “The devil took him to a high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Jesus said ‘Go away, Satan.

Still don’t think satan rules the world? Think about this. Satan tempted Jesus by offering him “all the kingdoms of the world.” Yet, would Satan’s offer have been a real temptation if Satan was not actually the ruler of these kingdoms? No, it would not. And note, Jesus did not deny that all these worldly governments were Satan’s, which he would have done if Satan did not have power over them. So, then, Satan the Devil really is the unseen ruler of the world! The Bible, in fact, calls him “the god of this world.” 2 Corinthians 4:4

The one who the world now calls Satan had been an angel created by God, but he became envious of God’s position. He challenged God’s rightful ruler ship. He used a serpent as a mouthpiece to deceive the first woman, Eve, and was thus able to get her and her husband, Adam, to do his bidding rather than obey God. Genesis 3:1-6

He also claimed he could turn all of Adam and Eve’s yet unborn offspring away from God. So God allowed time for Satan to try to prove his claim, but Satan has not succeeded.—Job 1:6-12

Significantly, Satan is not alone in his ruler ship of the world. He was successful in persuading some of the other angels to join him in rebellion against God. These became demons, his spirit accomplices. The Bible speaks of them when it urges Christians: ” For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Ephesians 6:12

It is not too late for us as people. We can still decide what happens to us, and we can still be saved. Don’t take part in this world. JESUS didnt and we need to follow JESUS and do as he did and live for GOD and wait on him. JESUS is our only hope. Not rulers of this world. Put all your hope in GOD. Want to help the world with out running for office Here is what you can do. Read your bible, pray for the world and pray all the powers and leaders of this world don’t hurt people or make them suffer.

racism is merely a tool used by a small elite group

Posted in Uncategorized on June 20, 2010 by johntiessen

I think, that racism is merely a tool used by a small elite group, those whose primary purpose is class control. Those with the money, land, political power and all the political representation that money can buy.
“If every American thought about class instead of race for only five minutes a day, some revolutionary things might happen. And by ‘thinking’ about class, I don’t mean in a detached, role-playing, Marxist Trivial Pursuit sort of way. I mean seriously pondering the degree to which inherited economic status affects actual human lives.”
“White people in America have a lot more in common with Black people than with rich people, but rich people have pitted White people against Black people in an effort to divert their attention away from the truth.”
“The Poor White Trash is descended from Celtic criminals deported to America. He is bony and lank, with a sallow complexion, awkward manners, and a natural stupidity or dullness of intellect that almost surpasses belief.”

Class Paradigm: Love of Money is the Root of All American Evils

The Class Paradigm states that social divisions that assume a distinctively racial or ethnic character can be attributed to or explained principally by reference to economic structures and processes and, within this paradigm, race is explained by reference to economic processes. The effects of racism are real and they are harmful. And they are self-perpetuated within society by those of us in the “common” group of people, and have been self-perpetuated so long that few remember that historically, the people who threw the first pitch in order to get the ball rolling were those select few with the land, property and education, who wanted to keep it that way. Stereotypes affect inter-group relations, even when individuals do not necessarily believe in them. In addition, stereotypes continue to define groups and reinforce standing divisions. All that is required of the elite is an occasional stirring of the pot to maintain the divide. A crucial ingredient to overthrowing the historical domination of all minorities is the interrelated cooperation between social movements for change.

Political power is measured by access to educational and job opportunities, political representation and respect received. Racism here is a tool, rather than a root, of the political and economic imbalance in America, part and parcel to the elite system of domination. the use of the term White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy is as an illustration of the interlocking systems of domination: race, class and gender.

The History of White Trash

Before British slavers traveled to Africa’s western coast to buy Black slaves from African chieftains, they sold their own white working class kindred from the streets and towns of England, into slavery. Tens of thousands of these white slaves were kidnapped children. During the voyage to America it was customary to keep the white slaves below deck for the entire nine to twelve week journey. A white slave would be confined to a hole not more than sixteen feet long, chained with 50 other men to a board, with padlocked collars around their necks. The weeks of confinement below deck in the ship’s stifling hold often resulted in outbreaks of contagious disease which would sweep through the “cargo” of white “freight” chained in the bowels of the ship.

“SLAVERY IS RIGHT, NATURAL, AND NECESSARY, AND DOES NOT DEPEND UPON DIFFERENCE OF COMPLEXION. THE LAWS OF THE SLAVE STATES JUSTIFY THE HOLDING OF WHITE MEN IN BONDAGE.”

- Republican Party Handbill from the presidential election of 1856

During the Industrial Revolution, numbered among the laborers were white children as young as six years of age, locked in the factories for anywhere from ten to fourteen hours per day, and many were mangled by the factory equipment. These children wounded and crippled in the factories were fired without recompense. Children late to work or who fell asleep during the long, grueling shifts were often beaten.

The division between those Americans considered white is evidence of a caste system dating back to early American society. The individual’s status was basically birth-ascribed, inherited, immutable, permanent and fixed. Just as the category of white has been socially constructed, so have the levels of opportunity been fixed by socially constructed ideals, depending upon the opportunities to be regulated by those who are members of the dominant group. bell hooks challenges that solidarity does not need to be rooted in shared experience; it can be based on one’s political and ethical understanding of racism and one’s rejection of domination. This holds true not only for groups of traditionally categorized minorities (those of “color”), but also encompasses as well the group of whites on the lowest rung of the economic scale. In fact, because of the similar experiences, this group and black people have a lesser wall to jump between them than any two other minority groups in America. Racism is not oppressive because of prejudice, but because it is a system which promotes domination and subjugation. The system is necessary to those controlling power and resources.

Poor White Trash: A Classist/Racist Conglomeration

“White trash” is a label identifying a class of whiteness that does not signify the privilege and social power that has been an across-the-board rhetoric in American society regarding the white or Euro-American race. The very existence of this classification — despite the fact that the term is generally delivered in both conversation and literature in a “tongue in cheek” demeanor — punches holes in the myth of classlessness in America, especially classlessness among Euro-Americans. As such, white trash is a threat to hegemonic whiteness in the U.S. Not only are whites not a homogenous group unto themselves but also there is a large class divide between groups of those labeled under the white category. The economically lower class group of white Americans has more in common, historically and currently, in economic factors and access to education and resources, as well as its historical integration into American society from inception, with other minority groups of color than it does with other whites supposedly in the same racial group. This points directly toward the idea that race is not the dividing factor in society as much as is class. Not that race does not divide; but that it divides the lower class against itself, perpetuated by and for the purposes of an elite few, who control most of the money, the land and other material resources, and who would like very much to keep it that way. At a personal level, race is in the eye of the beholder, at a political level, race is in the service of economic and social privilege. And race differences at a personal level have been contrived and perpetuated in order to give us some “common sense” view of how the world is ordered.

Labeling someone as “poor white trash” is a paradox — a mix of connotations that are at odds with themselves in American rhetoric and thought. The entire derisive term is “poor white trash.” Rather than abbreviating itself to “poor white” however, it has become “white trash.” This takes the emphasis off the economic difficulties, and places the importance on the moral qualities of those comprising the make up of the social group. In actuality, the real basis for the separation is class and, as I’m attemptting to reflect in this work, the real motivation for racial distinctions has also been, at its root, the class separation between the elite and the working class, the “haves” and the “have-nots”.

This is not an attempt — in the way that the use of terms such as “color-blind society” are often an attempt — to counter racial differentiations as inconsequential in their historical effects due to the socially constructed nature of their origins, nor is it an attempt to deny the existence nor the validity of ethnic and cultural differences among different peoples. Often, there is a one or the other rhetoric which seems to state that if one is white, one must choose between being a self-despising liberal assuming all blame for historical consequences to racism issues, or being a fascist, white supremacist in collusion with nebulous racist powers. This is merely another attempt to deflect focus away from the real perpetrators of the actual problem: the elite whose issues, again, do not stem from racism so much as from issues of retaining power.

Rather, I am stating that if it were not for the existence of those in control, and their

need/desire to retain control of power, including wealth, resources and land, that there simply would have been no need at all to racially categorize and thereby divide against itself the lower economic class of people. That this was a tool to aid in providing that no group would have the numbers to take control for itself, nor have the cohesiveness to form a revolution for the purpose of more equitably dividing resources (due to internal class warring), thereby ensuring a more equitable opportunity and outcome for the majority of individuals. Any such redistribution would certainly threaten the elite, ruling class, the small percentile of those who hold the majority of wealth and property. Omi and Winant claim that efforts to explain race as purely social cannot account for the origins, patterning and transformation of racial difference. I think, however, that racism is merely a tool used by those whose primary purpose is class control. Nationalist projects, which stress the incompatibility of racially defined group identity with the legacy of white supremacy, advocate a social structural solution of complete or partial separation. The point that is missed here is that this is exactly the sort of attitude the ruling elite are constantly perpetuating, separation in the lower economic classes, which allows victory only on their terms and for their ends. Racism would have no need of existence if not for Classism.

White Trash: A Marginalized Minority

Since the Civil Rights movement, white Americans have shouldered a lot of well-deserved guilt about centuries of abuse toward minorities. Well-deserved, because despite the fact that this sort of divide was introduced and perpetuated by a small, elite group, the common individual does hold the responsibility for their own actions, and for ensuring, by any means necessary, that they acquire the literacy required to learn critical thinking skills in their own lives. Because of the mass-follower mentality of society, people have individually chosen to join in actions that have hurt many, many other people, based on a system of classification they never bothered to reflect upon before taking action. Coupled with this guilt, there exists a basic craving for absolution: the desire to feel forgiveness and move forward. The white man does not know how to deal with his past as master and racist. He did not own slaves, maybe no one in his lineage owned slaves, but the color of his skin, he is told again and again, has made his heritage privy to power and control over other men’s lives.

“I am unable to reduce my whiteness to a brief answer to the question of ‘what does it mean to be a white male?’ My whiteness is not the one of money, it is not the one of privilege; my whiteness is more a memory of food stamps and a single mother. How does this experience figure in the picture of dominant white culture? It doesn’t: the poor white is missing.”

The worst historical behavioral attributes of whites have been taken and placed on those whites most powerless and isolated in society. They can be blamed and hated for all America’s crimes against humanity; after all, aren’t all whites privy to power and privilege and a “say so” in the goings-on of American society? I think not. Upper class whites can join with blacks and other minorities, thereby alleviating their guilt, taking attention off themselves and bonding with minorities against poor whites. The elite classes are still pitting the two groups against each other; they have merely switched sides. It’s no wonder that whites have the biggest suicide rates among ethnic groups. It’s a lose-lose situation.

Saying that working class whites are in a tough spot is not to deny their role in debasing other minority groups in society. However, the relationship between poor whites and slaves, or poor whites and poor blacks is a multi-layered one. Poor whites and poor blacks historically and presently have much more in common than either uppers class. Historically, particularly after the Civil War, poor whites and poor blacks held a similar position in society. They typically worked as sharecroppers and tenant farmers, with no possibility for land ownership or education, constantly under the control of land owning wealthy whites. The upper class whites were and still are aware of the power that working class whites and blacks would have if they were to join forces in political and social affairs. Therefore it has been beneficial to upper class whites to encourage animosity between these two groups of people. With the obvious skin color distinction, the task was not difficult.

The Perpetuation of Poverty by Division of Classes as Races

The jobs performed by working class people of all skin color are looked down upon by the educated elite, which places one in the lower level of social hierarchy. The job complaints of these folks do not center on board meetings or paying off college loans. The issues are more likely to be on-the-job injuries and deaths, lack of opportunity for promotion, protecting seniority and pay rates, and hopefully providing health care for families.

This class should theoretically be distinguishable for economic reasons. But our capitalist society teaches that we all get what we deserve — the rich and the poor. This is further complicated if one is white. The cultural baggage of white skin includes the myths of power, education, wealth and opportunity.

If one is white and does not succeed there are no social excuses, though they exist for all other marginalized groups. The implied problem must therefore be laziness or stupidity. Yet the marginalization of this group is not so different. These people also live within a social construct that teaches different values and offers no visible option for a path different from that of their family and social structure. And there are no social organizations offering “poor white” scholarships, or “poor white” loan programs, nor are wealthy whites willing to mentor the working class white’s children by helping with college or job training. Being white, in some sense, actually harms their chance of receiving aid or encouragement if they choose to pursue education or a different lifestyle from that of their families.

The more you educate yourself, the further you get emotionally and culturally from the support of your family and friends; the less you have in common with your socializing groups. You despise them and yourself. The pressure is intolerable. Those that do succeed usually have a mentor to help along this socialization and into other circles of influence. It’s commonly called “pulling oneself up by the bootstraps”. Conversely, in order to be an enlightened witness to the historical effects of domination and, hopefully, to the future rectification of this system, is a transformation which involves literacy and critical thinking, only obtainable through a dogged pursuit of much-needed educational opportunities.

When America thinks of the poor, the instant assumption is some other minority group. The percentage of the black or Hispanic populations that fall into the poorest class is certainly higher than the percentage of the white population. Yet when considering the actual number of poor of all races in America, 48.1% are white. Most of the poor people in the country are white and their incomes have been in outright decline for more than twenty years, particularly compared with minority and women’s incomes, which have risen steadily. Not to say that the narrowing of the gap between racial incomes was not needed, but what about some narrowing between the incomes of the employer versus the employee; the elite and the “commoner”? Certain data from the U.S. Census Bureau reflects that in 1999, only 8.5 percent of whites had obtained an advanced degree, and only 4.6 percent of blacks had done so. This shows a definite marked difference between attainment of this level of education as categorized by race, reflecting the success even today of the racial differentiation tool used by the elite class in order to perpetuate separation between peoples. With this kind of data, we can interpret it in various ways, but most often it is interpreted as a problem between races, rather than a problem between power-holders and non-power-holders.

The existence of racially mixed persons challenges long-held notions about the biological, moral and social meaning of race. Perhaps this recognition of mixed-race individuals will be part of the solution to the continued separation of people from one another by race. We cannot forget that, in analyzing data from various governmental studies that the government first requires an individual to identify with a race before being counted. In addition, it reflects the sad state of affairs when over 90% of people, regardless of race, are unable to access the resources (mentorship, finances, even early socialization) to further themselves and their families’ economic standing. This does not, however, illegitimate the fact that there is a notable difference in incomes between black Americans and white Americans, even at the same educational level. We must repair all the effects of discrimination in order to move forward, and the effects of each tool used to divide and conquer the mass of American people must be addressed (racist divide being a major one) within the context of and with understanding of the primary purpose of division — to keep the lower class at war with itself, in order to deflect responsibility from those who hold all the cards.

“Keeping Us In Our Places”

Poverty is not just the impersonal result of profit margins: it is a weapon. It is how elite society punishes all minorities for their existence, but nevertheless keeps the American Dream alive through reinforcing rhetoric to keep us in our place, which is all about limiting the number of hands in the money pot, but ensuring there are enough of us common folk to support the appetites of the elite.

“Sometimes you should think in your head and try naming the classes of people. On the bottom of the heap is most colored people, not the kind you would have been if you had been one, but most of them; then next to themnot above, just away fromwere the white-trash; then above them are the home-owners, and above them the home-and-land owners, to which you belong. Above you are people with a lot of money and much bigger houses and much more land.

“But here the complexity of it would begin to bear in on you, for some of the people with a lot of money were common and ought to be below you and some of the people who had good blood had lost their money and had to rent, and then there were people of colored who owned their homes and land as well… Usually by the time you even finish this, all the classes of people will be moiling and roiling around in your head, and you might wish they were all crammed in together in a box car, being ridden off to be put in a gas oven.”

Does this Sound like something that was done years ago?

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